At least thats what the Indians keep telling themselves. "They put me in the Hall of Fame? The 65 lefty was a true strikeout artist during his heyday, leading his league in Ks five times and twice topping 300. He has also appeared in several television commercials, most notably for Old Milwaukee beer. Ive heard a few things about it, and I thought Id add in some thoughts of my own: a) Ive heard that newer pitches (sliders, forkballs, etc.) Hes led the NL in strikeouts in each of the past three seasons and is a threat to do it again this year. The moment a baseball leaves a pitcher's hand, it starts to slow down because of drag. Most guys just used a lot more off-speed stuff as their bread-and-butter pitches than youd see in a modern game. His less-touted teammate, pitcher Johnny Humphreys, recorded 127 feet. However, Major League Baseball officially considers that pitch to be a 105.8 mph fastball. I believe in the dead ball era, guys topped out around 85 mph. This speed was measured using a radar gun and a high-speed camera. Mark McGwire of the St. Louis Cardinals and Jose Lima of the Los Angeles Dodgers both reached this mark twice. Other sources reported that the measuring device was a tube and that he took a long time to finally throw one into the tube. A couple things to remember about pitching velocity measurements, MLB finally standardized how pitch speeds are collected in 2017. Even though both were clocked rather crudely, their measurements would extrapolate to over 100 mph on a modern radar gun. What is the fastest a human has thrown a baseball? "A kid pitcher has to have a fast ball to succeed in the big leagues," said Bradley, "for he can never learn how to pitch faster. Still this is a surprise for me. Giving a mediocre pitch to a mediocre hitter was acceptable strategy. And that is #62, Herb Score. During the 1999 baseball season, this moment was recorded. Feliz is only in his second full season of pro ball, but already hes earned a reputation as a phenomenal power pitcher. Jimenez doesnt get much attention as a power pitcher because he walks so many batters (nearly four every nine innings), but when hes on, there might not be a better pitcher in baseball. Yeah pitching is about speed and arm and shoulder flexibility. Wagner is the left-handed National League compliment to Mariano Rivera and was as dominant of a closer as you can find. And even disregarding the advances in training, hitting is much more of a science now, with statistics layered upon statistics topped with healthy doses of psychology and scouting. He pitched 371.1 innings. If he harnesses all his pitches and learns to throw strikes consistently, theres no reason he cant one day pass the next guy on this list in career strikeouts. - Joe Tinker talking about Rube Marquard. Both Chapman and Hicks are relievers. Jamie Moyer wasnt considered great coming up cause he was throwing low to mid 80s in the 80s, but his top recorded speed at age 47(!?!) He was once clocked at 101 mph in 2009 and is capable of throwing in the upper 90s late in the game. Average was probably low-mid 80s. A man of about 60 years old did a foot for each of his years. He didnt and ended up winning 254 games. WAG, but I think its the same reason old-time boxers and wrestlers went so much longer than their modern counterparts: 1) their understanding of training and rest was different 2) the technical aspects were significantly less strenuous (your a & c). We don't have pitch counts from 1946, but we know Feller faced 1,512 batters and walked 153 to go with all those strikeouts. Johnson was capable of throwing 99, but how often did he need to throw that hard? The "twist" here is this pitcher never appeared in a Major League game! Source: The Cultural Encyclopedia of Baseball, 1997. The right age to start throwing a slider or curveball is between 14 and 15 , which gives a player enough time to develop the pitch (takes 1-3 years) so that it's good by the time the college recruiting process heats up. I looked at the stats for the Pirates (cuz theyre my favorite team), and this past year they averaged 133 pitches/9 innings (or about 4.75/out). All Rights Reserved by Baseball Almanac, Inc.Hosted by Hosting 4 Less. That's interesting. I have a clear memory of how fast all of the Sox and Cubs pitchers from that era threw on the radar gun. As Ted Williams once said, "Three days before he pitched I would start thinking about Robert Feller, Bob Feller. There were freak arms throughout history. He once threw a ball at least 450 feet on a bet. Hes still considered one of the best to ever throw a baseball, and its estimated his fastball could reach 100 mph. The Speedgun, developed by Decatur Technologies (a long-time maker of police radar guns) measured closer to the plate than the JUGS gun. Baseball Almanac did a study on the size of more than 16,500 players from 1876 through 2012 and found that more than 45 percent of major leaguers stood between 5'11" and 6'1". As long as hitters kept missing it, I was going to keep throwing it. We finished in the second division, 18 games below .500 in sixth place. But maybe its time to pay more attention to the guy who always played in Bob Fellers shadow. During his Rookie of the Year campaign in 2010, the righty struck out 71 batters in 69.1 innings and walked only 18. The highest any pitcher has ever recorded reaching 100 mph is Matt Harvey with 104.8 mph (2009). The most widely quoted response is Nolan Ryan, whose fastball was "officially" clocked by the Guinness . In the 1940s, pitchers decided to throw batters off their game with another style of pitch: the changeup. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. document.write(update); Some like Jim Palmer would actually not throw his hardest on purpose until he really needed it. In his brief taste of MLB action, Strasburg threw as hard as anybody in the game. 14. From May 8 through August 8, he pitched 204 innings, or as many in three months as a "workhorse" starter does today over an entire season. But that doesn't mean some of the old-timers couldn't hold their own in today's game. Red Sox bullpen's tightrope act will wear thin, Real or not? A 94 mph pitch on the Stalker Pro registered as 95 on the Stalker Pro II. I would guess that he saved his best fastball and used it maybe a dozen times a game. The average hitter today is an absolute monster compared to the average hitter back then. A modern radar gun measures the pitch either out of the hand or ten feet away from the pitcher, depending on the gunmost measurements all the way up to the 1980's would measure a pitcher about 60 feet from his hand (although I believe Walter Johnson was clocked 25 or 30 feet away from his hand). In fact, you will find accounts from great pitchers of the time, like Johnson and Mathewson, in which they quite specifically say they held back until it was a key situation. Even Lee Meadows, who pitched for the Chicago White Sox from 1939 to 1942, never reached 100 mph on a regular basis. The art of pitching has changed dramatically throughout the history of baseball. b) Travel pervaded the season more in those days pitchers got a lot of rest while sitting around on trains. House replied, "Others will throw harder, but no one will throw harder for longer.". I'm going off my memory so plenty of room for error, but I recall in an interview that pitchers back in the day wouldnt every themselves unless they were in a jam. On Sept. 24, 2010, Aroldis Chapman threw the fastest recorded pitch in major league history. Today, in the late 1990s pitchers can throw over 100 miles per hour (160 km/h or 45 m/s). Of course, you could have pitchers throw 350 innings a year now, too. I am scertain that most pitchers probably had shortened carrers because of the overuse, but the exceptions stick out in historythe Cy Younsg, Gorver Cleveland Alexanders and Walter Johnsons. He drifted to various jobs and landed in Bakersfield, California, where he was arrested many times for fighting. How fast does a pitcher usually throw? He topped 100 Ks in his first full season as the Los Angeles closer and regularly reached triple-digits. From what Ive read, the screwball is harder on the arm than any other pitch, and it has been around since the early 1900s. Freddy Peralta thrills family with dazzling debut, Real or Not? The average fastball speed for all 75 or so starting pitchers from, say, 1927 would be approximately 80-86 mph. Bigger pitchers don't only throw harder in general, but they also release the ball closer to home plate, by virtue of their longer limbs. To go along with his 714 home runs, Ruth ultimately retired with. His career 11.5 SO/9 rate is still among the best all-time, but the strike zone continues to elude the oversized righty. Power is only part of the pitching equation, and Ryan scores higher than anybody else in MLB history. Who was the fastest pitcher in baseball history? He walked 21 in one minor league game and struck out 21 in another. Gerrit Cole's approach bringing Cy Young results, Mookie Betts vs. Bryce Harper -- and other pressing baseball debates, Real or not? When you have a good curve ball, it makes your strike zone larger because the hitters swing at pitches that are outside. He first broke into the major leagues with the Reds in 2011 and was immediately given the title of "Fastest Pitcher in History". His pitch speed was 108.1 miles per hour. Some estimates put the fastball at 101-103 mph, others as high as 107.6 mph. As long as hitters kept missing it, I was going to keep throwing it. He has been playing sports his whole life and loves to talk about them. How fast can a baseball pitcher throw? Nolan Ryan led the league in strikeouts seven times. This is a cool article. Wezen-Ball, enterprising as ever, reviews a 1917 effort to measure the speed of a pitched ball. I'll buy that he could throw 100 mph, although it's impossible to know whether he did that consistently within games. The machine, called the "Lumiline Chronograph," used photoelectric cells to clock the object that passed through the device's opening. He was loyal to the Indians, but only because they paid him. Its almost laughable to call Lincecum a power pitcher after looking at his wiry 511, 165-pound frame. The current world record holder is Randy Johnson with 104.0 mph. So how was pitching different back then? He finished with 4,196 in his career, good for fourth all-time and second among left-handers. Dalkowski was clocked at only 93.5, but a few mitigating factors existed: 1) Dalkowski had pitched in a game the day before, so he could be expected to throw 5-10 mph slower than usual; 2) there was no mound to pitch from, which Feller had enjoyed, and this would drop his velocity by 5-8 mph; 3) he had to pitch for 40 minutes before the machine could measure his speed, and he was exhausted by the time there was a reading. It would be interesting to time-travel Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens, and Pedro Martinez in their youths back to 1894 and see how their careers as 450-inning starters would have fared. For decades, comparing pitch velocities has often been an apples-and-oranges discussion. was still 85mph. So even though it was recorded at 100 yards, it was actually 0.2 mph faster than what is considered to be legal ball speed. Major League Baseball does not recognize radar speeds as an official statistic. Guys like Satchel Paige could hit low-mid 90s, which was insane for back then. I woudl suggest that it is in fact simply that they let the pitchers pitch so much back then. Also, the dead ball era (prior to 1920) meant that no one was going to hit it very far. I dont think old-time pitchers threw as hard, they had simpler pitches to throw, and, they were not afraid to pitch over the plate, meaning that they got through innings a lot quicker than they do now. He was the definition of unhittable and is still only 23 years old. The best throw was 86 feet a second, the second best 84. 67 mph. A lot of pitchers blew out their arms back then, tooyou just never hear of them because they had short careers. Now they have 60 due to expanded ballparks and/or alternate site games being played away from home. Perhaps I'm wrong on this, but it's just a theory of mine. Pre-WW2, there were probably only a handful of guys who could crack 90. In 1893 the pitcher's rear foot was moved farther from home plate to its current distance of 60 feet, 6 inches. Feller has also written that he slipped from the mound in a June 13, 1947 game against Philadelphia and injured his back, saying his fastball was never the same after that. He didn't even have the . Woods career didnt turn out exactly as planned, as repeated arm injuries robbed him off his explosiveness, but the right-hander is still the active leader with 10.3 SO/9 IP, a mark that is second only to Randy Johnson among starters. how fast did pitchers throw in the 1920s Did Walter Johnson really throw 98-99 mph or did he throw 91-92 which was harder than everyone throwing in his day. Realistically low to mid 80s. Feller was sitting at 25. When a guy hits .358, he doesn't have slumps." Rogers Hornsby, 1961 Nowadays everyone throws 95+ but when you watch older games it looks like if pitchers just lob pitches to the plate. For more information, please see our Pitching is a very important technique in the game of baseball. Frustrated, the two met at the mound where Bench bluntly said, "Your fastball's not popping." He didn't even have the highest strikeout rate in the league in 1946; that belonged to Newhouser, who struck out 8.46 batters per nine innings compared to Feller's 8.44. Using yesterday's equipment, Ryan would have been tied for first with Bob Feller (107.4 mph). Felizs fastball was once clocked at 103.4 mph during a game at Rangers Ballpark, a speed that is third all-time behind only Aroldis Chapman (105.1 mph) and Joel Zumaya (104.8 mph). In 1998, Lima matched this speed while playing for the Dodgers. Copyright 2020 - 2023 Sportsmanist Inc. Did Nolan Ryan throw the fastest pitch ever? So pitchers weren't up there trying to blow anyone away like they are now. So how fast was Feller? Despite over 3,000 career punchouts Gibson finished his career averaging just 7.3 SO/9 and only led the league in strikeouts once. His greatest accomplishment is probably striking out 21 batters in a minor league game and walking 21 batters in another. - Eddie Collins. Breaking the 100 mph plateau makes news that can often travel to the front office at nearly the same speed. Walter Johnson, often cited as the fastest throwing pitcher in Major League history by experts, believed that Wood was faster than himself and once said, "Mister, no man alive can throw a baseball harder than Joe Wood." Whoops! Dalkowski signed with the Orioles in 1957 at age 21. Jimenez is another pitcher who, at just 27 years old, has already raised eyebrows with some of his strikeout totals and radar gun readings. I had my fastest pitched timed when I was younger. Their speeds were shown by a gravity drop interval recorder. **For the best user experience, we recommend disabling the Reddit redesign. Before the pitch reached the plate Bench dropped his glove and caught the ball bare-handed - or so the story goes. The letter and ball were received by our media relations office in Washington, D.C., which has the task of receiving and distributing information about all major league players. Then there is no pitcher among the top 100 until 1964. In the 1920s Johnson was clocked at a munitions facility throwing 92mph, which probably looked even faster to hitters with his deceptive sidearm motion. They didnt replace the game balls as often consequently by the end of a game the ball was a blackened, tobacco-sopping, lopsided, scuffed, bag of mush. Chapman is the owner of the fastest ever recorded pitch at an incredible 105.1 mph. CLEVELAND (AP) - Three Boston Red Sox threw a baseball 122 feet a second into a new photo-electric pitching meter yesterday. Privacy Policy. Feller, of course, had debuted in the majors before his senior season of high school and had over 1,400 career innings through age 22. Dmitriy Ioselevich is a Featured Columnist for Bleacher Report. Fastball velocity is on the rise. . Thats why many pre-1893 pitching records are not recognized as official records. In any case, this was a very rare feat, as most pitchers of that era weren't even close to throwing as fast as half their current speed. Maloney, also blunt, replied, "%*$@ you." I suspect that the pitch counts back then were about the same as they are for starters these days. Who was the first pitcher to throw 100 mph? The Detroit times. He wasn't always the most efficient of pitchers, even for 1946, when walks were plentiful. -- and his pitching motion was practically indistinguishable from the pitching motions we see today. Maloney delivered. On the other hand, it's also possible that Feller didn't throw as hard in 1946 as he did in 1938 or 1939. Mathewson et al. His 10.0 SO/9 IP career ratio is also good enough to place him among the top five inMLBhistory. They wanted to control, be durable, and pitch for a long time. Like Gangster Octopus says, we remember the exceptions. The most incredible part of Wagners story? They had to figure out a new and "cleaner" way of pitching. Pitchers dont usually return from Tommy John surgery with the same velocity, so we may never see the flame-throwing Strasburg ever again. The AL East is setting up as a race for the ages, Albert Pujols' push for 3,000 powered by dominant decade, 'Ich-i-ro! Are there measurements or estimations? They each pitched at least one inning at 100 mph or faster. His career 10.6 SO/9 IP is evidence of that, although hes up to 11.8 this season. Ted Williams once took a spring training pitch from the 58 Dalkowski and reportedly never saw it. Pitchers were not included in yesterday's test but "unofficially," Bob Feller of Cleveland threw three balls into the meter from a distance of 20 feet. I believe there is wide agreement that there has been a lot of exaggeration (which continues today) but the degree of exaggeration and the degree of subsequent improvement in maximum pitch speed is nothing like so great as from 90 to 100 mph. "To understand how Dalkowski, a chunky little man with thick glasses and a perpetually dazed expression, became a legend in his own time". - Ford Frick, "Smokey Joe (Williams) could throw harder than all of them." It was common for pitchers to "coast" until a runner got into scoring position. But the fast ball was my bread-and-butter pitch. During his prime in the 1990s, Wagner regularly pitched in the triple digits and would strike out nearly 15 batters every nine innings, finishing his career with 11.9 SO/9 IP. Answer (1 of 22): There were no radar guns in the days of Babe Ruth. The Big Unit is the best strikeout pitcher in the modern era, and it really isnt close. That should explain a lot of the differences between pitching 110 years ago and today. A record that's still included in the book. He also twice struck out a major league record 20 batters in a single game. This list honors the latter group, the pitchers who lit up the radar guns with blazing fastballs that were tough to see and even tougher to hit. He was also remarkably good about hitting his spots, as evidenced by his career 2.96 SO/BB ratio. In any event, I think that it is a combination of all these factors. A few amateurs warmed up yesterday on a new pitching speed meter. Despite his failure, he has been described as the fastest pitcher ever. The Fastest Pitcher in Baseball by Baseball Almanac 2003-2007. The first radar guns that began appearing at ballparks in the late 1970s and early 1980s measured pitches much closer to the plate. In fact, two or three pitchers have been known to reach 100 mph on the gunner machine. When Gagne walked to the mound, you knew he was probably going to embarrass you. On August 13, in a night game at home against the Tigers, I recorded my 262nd strikeout, breaking my career high of 261 in 1940. 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