eyes wide shut who was the masked woman

WebEyes Wide Shut. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. : I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. For instance,it's fairly obvious from the start who the Mysterious Woman is. So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. I recognized the voice of the > mysterious woman first time I saw the film.>>, >> it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he >> was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom.>, > Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professional> doctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety than> about Mandy's actual wellbeing. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? A powerful man realizes one night that his wife has had not one but myriad But what he was getting at was whether it was murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it would not have happened had he not been there. ">> "Victor what can I say. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. or psychotherapists. Yes, the uncertainty about the identities of the women is Structuralto the film's splintered narrative. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it? In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. Orgy? Orgy? And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. If we try to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries. These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. (meaning the Mysterious woman) "victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the women at the party, well victor, maybe i'm missing something heyou call it a Charadetell me what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". In fact, the only actual dream in the film is unseen, is onlylater described - namely, Alice's dream/nightmare about having sexwith numerous men (strikingly similar to the fate of the women atSomerton) in which Bill is openly humiliated, and told to Bill justafer he returns from Somerton. But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. It was a > party nevertheless. If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, -- Dennis/Endyhttp://home.comcast.net/~endymion91/~I was born to rock the boat. > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. ANSWER. When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. What's going on?>> Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? But he can't know for sure (because she wasmasked at Somerton). People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. When Bill thinks hes just about to score his own sexual liaison, his charade is exposed. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. Is that how youwould describe it? Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. 0. And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. Desire is always the desire of theOther our dreams constituring the realisation of desire. ", "They were nutcases. He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. Mandy was not the same woman. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? and she > replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," > Mandy says, "I know." I think this feeling of > guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. In the bathroom scene, there is no way to tell if Mandy has that freckle, because of her slouched position, which also makes it hard to tell her height in relation to Bill. Bill Harford doesn't really showmuch recognition in th emorgue scene. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. Why would he demand that she take offher mask if this were so? and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." He didn't recognise her voice. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, >> "I know.">. > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in adepressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethaldrug overdose. What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? The film revolves around the tension between these twophenomena; it is about this tension): 1. desiring Amanda Curran to bethe Mandy from Ziegler's party would confirm his guilt - in hisprofessional capacity as a doctor attending a patient in need - aboutleaving her fate in the hands of Ziegler, serving power rather thanmorality or medical ethics, a guilt he now seeks to redress byimmediately going to visit Amanda/Mandy at the hospital to try andredeem himself; and 2. desiring Amanda to be the masked woman, a womanwho seemingly redeems Bill's Somerton-crashing guilt for him via theSomerton 'charade.'. He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. SoZiegler's principal role in the film and in this scene is as anunscrupulous defender of wealth and power and as a power-brokerintermediary (laying down the Law while also routinely transgressingit), threateningly indicating to Bill just what the rich and powerfulcan do and what they can get away with. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). > <<<<<<< after> visiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanation> indicated. Take another listen. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the slightest. No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare clear and she has a very distinctive voice. Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. Does anyone else sense the inspiration of the mask designs from the film Eyes Wide Shut? >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >together. The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." WebThe protagonists mask (Bill Harford, interpreted by Tom Cruise) is a Venetian mask that covers the entire face. > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" And the redeemer's pubic hair is also trimmed the same. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. How? But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. 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